if you want to talk about putting someone in a deposition, the republicans allowing obama to be obama and the in the senate to continue to spend than to rack up these insane deficits and debt and go to the 26 -- the 2014 elections we think? >> well, there is no grand strategy. instead they are engaging in skirmishes they cannot win. lou: response to what i suggest that they do. we know the history. that is one of the reasons you're suggesting a different approach. >> i happen to agree with you. nothing that's abroad when look at things. creating enough small ads, small discussions with the american public to make it work, but they have to be very disciplined and do it. the problem, they have multiple taxes. shooting at the leaders command is very difficult. a very difficult position. lou: in a overcome the leaders? >> other people coming at them? i think that leaders worked their way up the system. newt gingrich as an example. over a decade, building the party committing candidates elected committed not just come in one day -- lou: he was the savior and he blew the party up in '96. he